my post on the shocking news

FYI -- our policy is that if you have permission and the article is correctly attributed, you are welcome to post it.

If not -- there could be definite copyright violations which we'd like to avoid.

Karen, I thought I said it in my post??? I simply pasted the report on the olive oil and it disappeared. I had permission to paste but on a few other forums in the past my pastings were deleted as they were afraid to be sued or whatever. So I thought someone had deleted it when it disappeared and I repasted.
Sorry, it was nothinfg tittilating

What -- wait a sec! This is NOT fair. I want to know what has caused all of this discussion and commotion.


I don't like being left out of the loop or a good story!

Darling Karen, just our silly posts

Hey, everybody, lets not cut this case, this is the most facinating one I have heard in many years! I am sitting on the edge of my chair waiting for any developments.

BP Chuck

Mimi: I would still like to read the post!

Hey Guys.....


For a bunch of PCers we're acting awfully silly.

Why not remove this whole thread, sorry I posted it. Glitches do happen so let's leave it at that, d'accord?

Al -- I am sorry this is causing disruption. It isn't worthy of Bonjour Paris. But, since I am the ONLY person on cutting duty currently, I KNOW that I did not do it. It might have been a cyber monster but NO one on the BP staff cut the post.

Al, I still belive that the post was unintentionally removed as I said, by a system error, or by some human error. I myself sent in sevral "!Report"-s all were either blataqnly commercial or highly pornograpfic. In each case I also notifed Karen, and after Kared requested it, also Jean. I do not kow of any other note that was deleted. Also this note on that particular subject would have been neither commercial nor porn. This is why I was nor concerned, neither should you.

BP Chuck

Paranoid??? Common Karen for an uncalled for comment . I supposed there might have been a glich that needed correction. I even made a suggestion in that area.



The above comment by Chuck seems quite adequate. It was a surprise to me that nobody showed some concern that a posting could have been missing.

Sorry this is causing a discussion going wild It was the same post that I repasted about the olive oil. It maybe a glitch because I still do not get all postings. It was there and when I returned it was gone so I pasted again. I KNOW (!!) that Karen, would have emailed me if SHE had removed it

Al: I assure you that no one removed the post unless it were obscene. From what I'm reading on the board, this wasn't the case.

Please do not be paranoid. I would like to read the post as well since I didn't see it and it's akin to coming into the middle of a conversation and not knowing what's going on!

Al, I do agree with you, and I believe it was some error by the system or by someone. If for no other reason, this is a very inteseting and unusual story. I was just fascinated by it.

Jean, to me it has all the earmarks of a desperation act due to either drug addiction or gambling losses (if everithing occured as described!


BP Chuck

My primary concern (and I'm surprised it is nobody else's) is was Mimi's post removed from the Forum, if it was. I know that once when I reviewed a posting I had written I forgot to click the posting button. Can the powers that B comment on this? I still can't believe that nobody has concern nor comment.

If the repors here on the board are correct, he can not be innocent: You can be guilty also by ommission, and he commited a serious ommission by not testing or having the material tested by a competent and reputable laboratory, as olive oil is used either in addition to food for human beings or in the preparation of human food, where it also gets to be absorbed in human food. A simple density test would have told that it is not olive oil or at least pure olive oil. Kerosene is much lighter than olive oil. You can buy a "Hydrometer" the only piece of equipment to do such a density test for about $ 20 to 40, and you do not need any special knowledge to use it, the salesperson could have shown him how to use it in less than 5 minutes. What I am saying, it does not take an expensive laboratory with a PhD Chemist to tell him that something is wrong! If he is (was) so stupid that he did not realize that he should have tested the "product"or have it the tested, I can not understand how he ever was able to make scrambled eggs??? Any "Chef" worth this title prides himself/herself of using the freshest and best raw materials, would not even tuched an oil that was sold for a "discount" price.

BP Chuck

I suspect, jean, that if he is innocent is because he tried to grow too much. Chefs buy their olive oil in bulk and know how it smells, and tastes like BUt if you dole the oil out like at his boutique in St. Remy and to the Pierre Deux chain, to someone else, he could be fooled. In the resto business, that's being careless.

I'm waiting for more news on this event--I find it very difficult to believe that a chef of Chariol's stature (especially given who was his father!) would stoop so low.

This is a very interesting case, and I did not hear anything about it prior to reading the note from Mimi. First of all we are dealing with a blend of two diffeent kinds of oil a) a "lamp Oil" , which is not a defined chemical compound. Generally a lighter grade mineral compound, often referred to a "kerosene". Mineral oils are not normally used for human consumption, and "run though the human body, mostly unchanged" this is, if they did not contain chemical compounds that are harmfull for human beings on consumption. Normally they are not checked for harmfull compounds, as they are not sold for "internal" use. and the other component is a "low" (or just "lower" grade of olive oil from Spain. Bsically the charge can be anything, such as fraud, for selling the cheper grade olive oil under the claim that it was a superior grad. As for the "lamp" oil they could (at least in the US) they could charge him with "human endangerment" to all kinds of charges if the mineral oil (if this what it was) contained any toxic or harrmfull substances. I am shure if they did find harmfull or toxic substances in any of the containers, the punishment would include incarceration.
I do not even understand why he did it. (did he maybe had a gambiling or a Drug habit?) Chefs are generally well paid, one could say extemelly well paid. Why risk this, and his reputation with a scam like this. In addition I can not see him getting even a kitchen helper's job.

BP Chuck

Why was my pasting removed? I had permission to paste. The chef/owner lives in Maussane and has a shop in St Remy, but tourists who shopped there.


Top French chef fobs off lamp oil as olive oil

AIX-EN-PROVENCE, France, Oct 19 (AFP) - A top French chef at a Michelin two-star restaurant was judged guilty of fraud Wednesday for selling a blend of cheap Spanish olive oil and lamp oil under a label claiming the mixture came from a famous olive-growing region in France.

Jean-Andre Charial, owner and head chef of the prestigious Oustau de Baumaniere hotel-restaurant in Baux-de-Provence in southern France, was fined 15,000 euros by an appeals court.

The well-known chef purchased the inferior oil in Spain at 7.55 euros a litre, and -- after repackaged it as an "extra virgin" olive oil from Baux-en-Provence -- sold it to unsuspected patrons and tourists at nearly five times the price.

Even

worse, a sample examined by government inspectors revealed that the bottles sold contained an unspecified quantity of lamp oil, which is unfit for human consumption.

Charial was acquitted from a charge of false advertising in an early proceeding in July 2004, but prosecutors appealed the decision, seeking a penalty fine of 37,000 euros.

Besides the two-star restaurant, Charial also runs a four-star hotel.

© AFP

Subject: French news



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